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Lightning Dragon by phoenixfyre6967 Lightning Dragon by phoenixfyre6967
Like this, but made better :D. I'm not sure how long I took...but those scales drove me crazy... [link]

By the way, I would really appreciate critiques, especially on how to make the perspective better, or the anatomy fit the perspective.
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Dj--Vixxen Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahh, very nice.
The Lightning is very well done, but the dragon's anatomy could be better. The mouth is oddly shaped and the legs aren't quite right. The wings could use a tad bit of work aswell.
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DarlingMionette Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
wow. all those scales. XD They're definitely worth it though - my favorite part!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010
Thanks :D, and yeah definitely, didn't look right without the awesome scales :D
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LissyH Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
wow fantastic work
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CharlieRenwick Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Student Filmographer
Woah, all those scales must've taken ages! Nice work
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010
They did, took forever to make the scales and the shading for them :(
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yansetiawan Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
good job
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Night-Sky13 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
I think you may want to start looking into dragon anatomy (just because it's a fantasy creature doesn't mean it has fantasy anatomy ;D )
The tail looks a bit too short and the arms and legs are too close together on the torso.

You did do an amazing job on the scales, though!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
I'm starting to get really tired of these comments no offense to you but I was trying for perspective except it turned out completely out of whack and too cartoonish. I really wish someone would try to help me figure out how to make the perspective look better than the anatomy...
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Night-Sky13 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010
Shading would help. As it stands right now, there doesn't seem to be much perspective going on and I think shading would help add some depth to the piece. The legs are farther away so why are they the same color as the rest of the body?
Anatomy would really help you with the perspective. If you practice drawing the dragon straight on, you'll get the correct anatomy down. Knowing how the body looks straight on will help you be able to morph the body in your mind and see how it should look at different angle. Foreshortening would happen in this perspective but you did not do it right. You made the torso too small and I see that you're trying to do that with the neck but the way it looks now, it just looks wonky.


And just a word of advice, if you want a specific bit of critique or help, why not actually ask for it instead of assuming people will know what you want and then getting upset when you don't get what you want?
You really should have added something to your artist's comments like "This was a practice in perspective but I don't think it came out right. Any suggestions on how to fix the perspective would be greatly appreciated."
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010
Maybe it's just that it's not sharp enough because what I actually did was use a layer mask on the entire dragon and make the back a lot more transparent than the front. And what do you mean by foreshortening?

Well, what happened was at first, when I put this up, I was really happy to get anatomy critique too, though most of the people just said it looked "off" or said something like "the head's too big" though most of them seemed to think that the anatomy was decent, but the limbs looked too scrawny and not muscular enough. But then it went on and on and they completely ignored the perspective aspect of it and I'm just lost on how to make the anatomy fix the perspective.

Anyways, thanks for the critique, sorry if I was a bit snappy at first, just a bit frustrated.
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Night-Sky13 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2010
So you are expecting people to read your mind or something? Again, unless you state what you WANT others to critique, how the hell are they supposed to know what you want? People critique what they want and comment on aspects that they want to. You didn't specify that you needed help with the perspective so how are people supposed to know that that's what you want help on? They ignore it because honestly, without you telling me so I had no idea that the dragon was supposed to be at an angle. Obviously, yes the perspective is the biggest problem but it may be so big that no one realized it and chose to comment on the wonky anatomy of the piece instead since that is much more recognizable.

Just making the back more transparent than the front won't do much. You need to actually add some shading in order to add depth, which in the end will help with the perspective. With knowing the proper anatomy, it can help you figure out how long the back legs should be at different angles, how big the head should be in comparison to the torso. It sort of like how with knowing the proper proportions of the human body can help you make stylized people better (cartoony, anime, etc).

I've looked up some tutorials and resources that I think could help you with perspective:
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Oh and this is a good example of foreshortening: [link]
It's basically that when you look at something at an angle other than head on, the things farther away from you are shorter. The opposite is true for the parts closer to you: they are bigger.
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Machinari Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would suggest looking at the legs a little more, where the muscles connect, and moving where the wing membrane connects to the body a little lower. Neondragon has some excellent tutorials and books on dragons - you should check 'em out. :3
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
In my history, apparently I've already seen one of their tutorials but it seems that they've deleted them all :(. And that was my failed attempt at trying to make it look like there was some perspective...which is why the legs look so scrawny, though I really do need to tone up the muscle a bit, but I have to look at a lot more references first. Thanks for the comment.
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Machinari Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mhm, like I said, check out Neondragon, and if you search Dragon Anatomy and things, it'll give you an idea. Horses are good for their thighs and neck, etc, but I think it's just a matter of figuring out where things attach and how. ^^ But still, good work!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
I'm looking, just kind of disappointed their tutorials are gone. And eh, I don't think horses are good for the neck, though thighs, yes. I got to ride a horse a few days ago and it looked way too wide to be a dragon neck. Good idea on the thighs though. I don't think it's that they're attached wrong, I think I got that part right, but it's that they're not muscled enough, a lot of people have pointed that out, jsut never got to fixing it.
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Machinari Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha, I mean just the muscles. Horses have very clear definition - I didn't mean how wide/stout they were.

Hm, she does have a book out, which I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend, but you're doing pretty damn well by yourself. ^^
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
I don't know, I feel like dragon necks should look more snakelike.

Do you know the name of it? I can go see if I can find it somewhere. And thanks, but I wish I was doing a lot better, since dragons are my favorite thing to draw and I feel like I should be a lot better after doing so much practicing on them.
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Machinari Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mm, it's called "How to draw Fantastic Dragons and Fantasy Creatures," I believe. But there's plenty of tuts and things here as well - I'd check those out before you go and spend money. x3 And don't worry, you're doing fine. :D
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010
If you look in my scraps, I kind of went on a dragon frenzy when I tried to draw pretty much every dragon picture I ever liked on google :lol:, but of course what looks good in pencil is very different from with photoshop, so I still have trouble. Thanks :D.
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whiteguardian Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
It's nice concept and good to see you put the texture. I'm little curious about the lightning. It's too solid and the color not quite matching. How about change to light blue and give more glow :)
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010
What do you mean color not quite matching? You mean yellow? And I tried a lot of different colors, but I felt like light blue made the piece look too flat and boring. And thanks
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whiteguardian Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Nope. Please take a look at the lighning that i make here. It's not too solid.
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It's just my opinion. :)
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010
I'm sorry, but I don't think that looks realistic at all. I know mine is a really amped up version of lighting and not realistic, but lightning is definitely not transparent.

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Though hmm...maybe my glow effect is a bit too strong and the lightning is too thick. It only looks like it's transparent because it's so thin, which I didn't do well.
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whiteguardian Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
I see. Ok, it's just the taste's problem. Everyone have their own taste. I respect yours. :)
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Glori305 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010
I love how the lightning was done, the dragon's anatomy looks disjointed, might want to try drawing some realy animals, horses, bats, lizards etc, from photo refrences, then work on putting the elements together for a dragon. I like the colors for the dragon and background, just enough contrast for the dragon to stand out, but still be part of the sky, would like to see the eye stand out more, maybe a red or white eye?

I would also like to see more spikes down the back....but if you look at my little clay dragons, you will see that is definately a personal prefrence.
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010
Thanks and I draw a lot of real animals, but I think I should probably do a lot more lizards instead of mammals. And hmm...I tried red, didn't really like how it looked but I'll try white sometime.

And nah, I don't like dragons with too many spikes but thanks for the suggestion.
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Glori305 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010
Yeah, I figured the spike thing was more a personal preferance than anything else.
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AmethystWinds Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010
Great dragon - I love the style its drawn in. The lightning is very realistic! :)

The body is good, but the head seems a bit big...in relation to the body. Great job on the see through wings!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010
I was trying to look like it had perspective, but I guess it didn't work well since the body naturally gets smaller in the back anyways... And because I didn't get the scales to look right.

Thanks for the comment :)
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AmethystWinds Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010
Still looks intriguing though. :)
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GreatGawain Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
That's cool!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2010
Thanks :D
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Death-Soldier101 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
amazing job on this, i love it!
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
Thanks :D
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Death-Soldier101 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
you're welcome!
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takernell Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
this dragon looks better than the dragon in the storm. keep it up. :)
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
Thanks :D, and yeah, definitely
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RadicalMechanic Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
I like it! :)
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
Thanks :D
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RadicalMechanic Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2010
your welcome ^^
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Chieftx Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010  Student General Artist
the improvement is very noticeable.
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phoenixfyre6967 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2010
Haha yeah thanks.
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